and governing. yet he's the governor of a state. all of these others have -- they're trying to put in place in the states a conservative model for governing. i thought there might be more in that was their reaction to that within the party about what he wasn't saying or what he should have been saying in that context? >> i think the sense of his message on how do you balance the fact you're going to run a government but he's saying let's not get trapped in a conversation about government, that disconnect isn't what captured the people there. it was don't stay stupid things. again, great advice but, you know, that's not a long-term vision. that's not a long-term plan. gwen: here's the part we're talking about. what is happening in washington is governing. it's messy, it's not pretty to look at. right now what we're facing are too more deadlines. march 1 deadline, which means across the board budget cuts could kick in and to listen to paul ryan this week will kick in. at the end of march, potential go